The Gunstringer GS Review | 8.5 WTH?

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"] This. It is a huge stretch that you guys are going at to discount a measly 8.5 game. Another scenario for you, what if I buy a PS3 then buy littlebigplanet but only have 1 controller and no internet connection. Should we still put that game on the spreadsheet since I'm not playing the game to its full potential reflected in the score of the game? Your argument is invalid, end of story. Why does it matter to you guys so much in the first place?!marklarmer

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] nobody said anything about discounting the game. I don't know why everyones so up in arms about something that is technically right. FACT not everyone owns a kinect. FACT not everyone will be able to play this game. Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"] This. It is a huge stretch that you guys are going at to discount a measly 8.5 game. Another scenario for you, what if I buy a PS3 then buy littlebigplanet but only have 1 controller and no internet connection. Should we still put that game on the spreadsheet since I'm not playing the game to its full potential reflected in the score of the game? Your argument is invalid, end of story. Why does it matter to you guys so much in the first place?!marklarmer

oh god. could we just accept that the games go in the spreadsheet and not talk about this anymore. thread is getting derailed.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] nobody said anything about discounting the game. I don't know why everyones so up in arms about something that is technically right. Question: Does everyone own a kinect?Question will everyone without a kinect be able to play this game? Our arguement is invalid? Also end of story :lol: why is it that and why are you telling us?

CaseyWegner

oh god. could we just accept that the games go in the spreadsheet and not talk about this anymore. thread is getting derailed.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"] Since you must continue with this....not every console owner can play M rated games or have parents who wouldn't let their children play M rated games. FACT.

Frostbite24

Also youre talking about casuality. A situation or issue that arises for specific people. People not buying kinect is not casuality. Its a decesion

One does not effect the whole for something like your extreme scenario for someone not having internet.

there's so much i wanna say right now but i haven't played it so i'll just shut up

:o This is definitely something.. :3

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

arbitor365

Oh the conspiracy :shock:

Give me a break

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

arbitor365

a hypothetical situation exemplifies something? why this one game and not the countless other kinect games that were rated poorly?

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

arbitor365

Or maybe, just maybe, gaming on a 360 is not as bad as you think...?

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"] Since you must continue with this....not every console owner can play M rated games or have parents who wouldn't let their children play M rated games. FACT.

Frostbite24

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

PAL360

Or maybe, just maybe, gaming on a 360 is not as bad as you think...?

I own a 360 (though I dont have an xboxlive account anymore) and I have played all the big xbox exclusives. and in the case of perfect dark zero, I can say that it is among the worst FPS games of this gen. I was under the impression that most people, including 360 fans agree. the fact that it got a 9/10 shows a stunning amount of biased leniency towards the 360 on gamespot's part. if some other site gave "haze" a 9/10 i would call them biased too and so would anyone else on this forum.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

Or maybe, just maybe, gaming on a 360 is not as bad as you think...?

I own a 360 (though I dont have an xboxlive account anymore) and I have played all the big xbox exclusives. and in the case of perfect dark zero, I can say that it is among the worst FPS games of this gen. I was under the impression that most people, including 360 fans agree. the fact that it got a 9/10 shows a stunning amount of biased leniency towards the 360 on gamespot's part. if some other site gave "haze" a 9/10 i would call them biased too and so would anyone else on this forum.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

arbitor365

Or maybe, just maybe, gaming on a 360 is not as bad as you think...?

I own a 360 (though I dont have an xboxlive account anymore) and I have played all the big xbox exclusives. and in the case of perfect dark zero, I can say that it is among the worst FPS games of this gen. I was under the impression that most people, including 360 fans agree. the fact that it got a 9/10 shows a stunning amount of biased leniency towards the 360 on gamespot's part. if some other site gave "haze" a 9/10 i would call them biased too and so would anyone else on this forum.

i'm more interested about your comment regarding this game.

as for perfect dark zero, it got all kinds of reviews some were low and some were high. why is gamespot biased just because they were on the higher end? btw, haze has an average review of 55 while pdz has an 81. could you have not picked a better example?

spot strikes again!peterw007

[QUOTE="peterw007"]spot strikes again!tormentos

maybe that's why it didn't score higher? :|

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

arbitor365

Or maybe, just maybe, gaming on a 360 is not as bad as you think...?

I own a 360 (though I dont have an xboxlive account anymore) and I have played all the big xbox exclusives. and in the case of perfect dark zero, I can say that it is among the worst FPS games of this gen. I was under the impression that most people, including 360 fans agree. the fact that it got a 9/10 shows a stunning amount of biased leniency towards the 360 on gamespot's part. if some other site gave "haze" a 9/10 i would call them biased too and so would anyone else on this forum.

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

arbitor365

Kinect got a good game? (Looks out window)

Oh no! It's happening!

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this exemplafies how gamespot gives xbox exclusives a softer treatment. if this same game were a PS3 exclusive, it would have been given no higher than a 7/10.

this is the same site that thinks perfect dark zero is on an equal level as demon souls, killzone 2, and god of war 3.

tormentos

are you aware of what the average score is for resistance 3? are you just saying that there's a huge conspiracy against the ps3 across the media?

again, have you not considered that the controls are why it only scored an 8.5? does everything have to be a conspiracy just because you don't agree with something even if it's something you've never played?

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Or maybe, just maybe, gaming on a 360 is not as bad as you think...?

o0HAPPY0o

I own a 360 (though I dont have an xboxlive account anymore) and I have played all the big xbox exclusives. and in the case of perfect dark zero, I can say that it is among the worst FPS games of this gen. I was under the impression that most people, including 360 fans agree. the fact that it got a 9/10 shows a stunning amount of biased leniency towards the 360 on gamespot's part. if some other site gave "haze" a 9/10 i would call them biased too and so would anyone else on this forum.

nope it was a 360 launch title

Well, this game didn't flop. I had gave it a 7.5 prediction, but did say it could score an 8.0 if the gameplay for fun, exciting and accurate. Looks like that was the case this time around as GS actually game it a decent score. I'll have to try the demo. The price is still too high for me right now. $40??

are you aware of what the average score is for resistance 3? are you just saying that there's a huge conspiracy against the ps3 across the media?again, have you not considered that the controls are why it only scored an 8.5? does everything have to be a conspiracy just because you don't agree with something even if it's something you've never played?CaseyWegner

When you actually play through things like this is that you really see the whole point,when a game is so broken and still get great scores you have to wonder why in deed. tormentos

Because people enjoy games despite them having technical flaws? The technical elements are only one part of a game, it's not uncommon for the others parts to compensate for them.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]are you aware of what the average score is for resistance 3? are you just saying that there's a huge conspiracy against the ps3 across the media?again, have you not considered that the controls are why it only scored an 8.5? does everything have to be a conspiracy just because you don't agree with something even if it's something you've never played?tormentos

perhaps they weren't noticed or weren't detrimental enough to the game. a score of 10 doesn't mean perfect and the game did gethighreviews allover the place.what about the rest of what i said?

[QUOTE="tormentos"] When you actually play through things like this is that you really see the whole point,when a game is so broken and still get great scores you have to wonder why in deed. IronBass

So this is an xbox 360 exclusive? Wait, I thought xbox had no games or exclusives this year? Was some cow feeding me BS?

Fair enough. So what Gears did right to compensate.

Heavy lag

Host advantage issues.

AI issues.

Bugs

Sluggish controls.

To compensate for that,the game has to be a marvel of a game,some of those problems are pretty serious and will ruin your experience,lag,host advantage issues and sluggish controls are serious problems that will affect your experience with the game,where ever is Gears,Killzone,Halo GT5 or any game.tormentos

First, let's make things clear. "Sluggish controls" is a subjective judgement, yours in this case,and reviews aren't based on your subjective judgements, but on those of the reviewers. So that's one thing less.

"AI issues and bugs", interesting, because very few people have complained about them. So I'm going assume they were either unnoticed or minor, so that's another tow things less.

Host advantage and lag are two well documented issues, but easy to compensate by a solid campaign with co-op options,Horde mode and so on:)

perhaps they weren't noticed or weren't detrimental enough to the game. a score of 10 doesn't mean perfect and the game did gethighreviews allover the place.what about the rest of what i said?CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]perhaps they weren't noticed or weren't detrimental enough to the game. a score of 10 doesn't mean perfect and the game did gethighreviews allover the place.what about the rest of what i said?tormentos

if they were so into the game then isn't that a good sign? at least you're no longer talking about conspiracies.

First, let's make things clear. "Sluggish controls" is a subjective judgement, yours in this case,and reviews aren't based on your subjective judgements, but on those of the reviewers. So that's one thing less."AI issues and bugs", interesting, because very few people have complained about them. So I'm going assume they were either unnoticed or minor, so that's another tow things less.Host advantage and lag are two well documented issues, but easy to compensate by a solid campaign with co-op options,Horde mode and so on:)IronBass

1UP review. ""You can always find reasons not to give a game a review score of 10. Control issues (Gears of War has that). A.I. problems (that, too). Bad dialogue or storytelling (yes on both). Linear levels, online lag, limited modes (yup, yup, and yup)."" http://www.1up.com/reviews/gears-of-war_2 Apparently this reviewer saw them and did not care,because he was impress by the game,Gears had sluggish unresponsive controls,the characters were stiff moving,and taking cover some times was a shore. The game had problems AI was far easy to notice,they would run into gun fire like iron man,then 30 seconds latter the screams for help,then in several places they refuse to fallow you,into places they should,and leave you to fight alone,those are serious problems.tormentos

First, somebody agreeing with your subjective judgement doesn't makethe subjective judgement inquestionany less subjective.

And secondly, as that review also shows, he was impressed by the game as a whole, despite indivual flaws. Nothing out of the ordinary.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]First, let's make things clear. "Sluggish controls" is a subjective judgement, yours in this case,and reviews aren't based on your subjective judgements, but on those of the reviewers. So that's one thing less."AI issues and bugs", interesting, because very few people have complained about them. So I'm going assume they were either unnoticed or minor, so that's another tow things less.Host advantage and lag are two well documented issues, but easy to compensate by a solid campaign with co-op options,Horde mode and so on:)tormentos

Why do you keep mentioning gears of war being overated? Im sure there was no issue with gamespot or bias against PS3 when Metal Gear Solid 4 scored a 10 on here and yet it had several issues as well. As for Resistance 3, I have not played it so wont comment on it but 1 & 2 are so far behind Halo in terms of features. You spend more time on here defending a piece of plastic than you actually do playing this piece of plastic.

So this is an xbox 360 exclusive? Wait, I thought xbox had no games or exclusives this year? Was some cow feeding me BS?

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

So this is an xbox 360 exclusive? Wait, I thought xbox had no games or exclusives this year? Was some cow feeding me BS?

ianuilliam

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

So this is an xbox 360 exclusive? Wait, I thought xbox had no games or exclusives this year? Was some cow feeding me BS?

Divine_Menace

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

So this is an xbox 360 exclusive? Wait, I thought xbox had no games or exclusives this year? Was some cow feeding me BS?

ianuilliam

remember the 360's first year? that's where the "no games" thing really came from.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

So this is an xbox 360 exclusive? Wait, I thought xbox had no games or exclusives this year? Was some cow feeding me BS?

CaseyWegner

remember the 360's first year? that's where the "no games" thing really came from.

PS3 had 3 AAE+ in 2007 (first full year). 2 in 2006.

Yeah, 360's launch and following year were better, as far as Metagame-relevant scores go, than PS3's by 2 launch games, and 2 games the following year. If that meant "PS3 has no games" was true then, then "360 has no games" now is even more true. 5 to 2 PS3 vs 360 AAE+ in 2009. 7 to 3 in 2010. 6 to 1 so far in 2011.

Obviously, neither system ever had literally no games. 360 had a stronger exclusive library early on, partially by putting out more games (1 more AAE+ than PS3 in 2007, 1 more in 2008), but mostly just from having an extra year. PS3 has the better exclusive library now by putting out more than double the high-rated exclusives as 360 every year for the past three years. 360's WAS better, because of an extra year. PS3's IS better NOW, despite the extra year. It's a slightly different situation, but if it was fair to say "no games" then, it's every bit, or more justifiable to say "no games" now.

It's probably still awful, but good score.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Yes. Here we are. Halfway through September, and 360 lands it's first AAE of the year. PS3 has a AAAE and 5 AAE so far this year. By comparison, By September 14th in 2007 (You know, when PS3 owners got told constantly PS3 had no games), PS3 had had 2 AAE for the year, and 360 had had... 1 AAAE, and maybe 1 timed-exclusive AA. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, pot meet kettle, etc., etc.

ianuilliam

remember the 360's first year? that's where the "no games" thing really came from.

PS3 had 3 AAE+ in 2007 (first full year). 2 in 2006.

Yeah, 360's launch and following year were better, as far as Metagame-relevant scores go, than PS3's by 2 launch games, and 2 games the following year. If that meant "PS3 has no games" was true then, then "360 has no games" now is even more true. 5 to 2 PS3 vs 360 AAE+ in 2009. 7 to 3 in 2010. 6 to 1 so far in 2011.

Obviously, neither system ever had literally no games. 360 had a stronger exclusive library early on, partially by putting out more games (1 more AAE+ than PS3 in 2007, 1 more in 2008), but mostly just from having an extra year. PS3 has the better exclusive library now by putting out more than double the high-rated exclusives as 360 every year for the past three years. 360's WAS better, because of an extra year. PS3's IS better NOW, despite the extra year. It's a slightly different situation, but if it was fair to say "no games" then, it's every bit, or more justifiable to say "no games" now.

i don't see why you are explaining this to me. it was with the 360 thatthe "it has no games" thing started with...not the ps3 despite it having more than the ps3 did in its early years. that's where the whole backlash came from. it was revenge for early 360 bashing. now people are getting revenge for getting revenge which is much less noble than the original revenge sought.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] not to side track this thread but this guy complains about stuff in infamous 2 that infamous 1 had and yet gives that a 9 and gives the sequel "which improves combat, graphics, adds things to the game, like a level editor, adds more variety" a 7.5. But wait no, its not just him its gamespot in general, pokemon black gets a 7.5 for being the same old same old according to the reviewer but yet black ops gets a 9 because its new and refreshing? but hey its one guys opinion, its just i stop coming here for reviews a loooooooong time ago. SecretPolice

You speak the truth sir , can't stand GS's double standard anymore.

On thread , this game has obviously been reviewed by different standards , I mean , it was supposed to be a downlodable game just like ODST was supposed to be an expansion , and it got a 9 here , for being supposedly reviewed as a normal game , yeah lack of standards ftl.